
Zach Williams
Owner & Founder, Venveo
Educating your customers and giving them more opportunities to learn is such a valuable resource and service in the building materials industry today. Some manufacturers do this well — but some don’t. We talk with an education expert about how more BPMs in the industry can get it right.
episode 160
All About CEUs: The ROI of Education in Building Materials


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To stay ahead of the competition, today’s building materials manufacturers need a way to make themselves valuable and trustworthy to customers: CEUs might just be the secret ingredient to that kind of success.
Jan Rutgers is the president and founder of Vestabul School of Design, a hub of resources, learning tools and education for the design industry. Jan was given the Kitchen and Bath Design News Innovator award in 2020 because of her “strong voice” and dedication to education and mentoring in the industry.
She has more than 30 years of experience in home design, but she’s seen all sides of the construction industry, even opening her own millwork plant in Vancouver to help with custom designs.
“I started teaching, lecturing, writing courses and bringing on other people that are passionate about the industry,” explains Jan. “And have landed now as an online educator, feeling that I can take a lot of the knowledge that I have and help transfer that to other people.”
She established the Vestabul School of Design in 2020 to instruct others about home design and building materials. She’s dedicating all of her time to education now because of the growing need in the building materials industry for sustainability, efficiency and transparency.
And the rest of us in the industry should take notes — the future of the industry and our living environments depends on that kind of education.
When it comes to building materials or home improvement products, “Consumers now have so much access to information,” says Jan. The rise of digital media and eCommerce in the manufacturing industry has made access to product information easier for home and building owners everywhere.
But if your customer is a building materials professional, they need to dive a little deeper in their product knowledge. “And the only way that the professional is going to be able to go deeper is to get really relevant learnings from the manufacturer,” says Jan. “When I'm talking with manufacturers or if I'm writing educational programs myself, I speak to the professional. I don't speak to the consumer.”
Many of today’s manufacturers actually have some form of a continuing education program on their website, in their community or through other programs. But not all of those CEUs are successful or well attended. Jan gave us two specific tips to ensure creating a CEU is worth your time.
Being strategic about the content that you put together for education programs. It might take some time, but it can pay off and produce great results.
We wanted to know what kind of benefits a CEU program will actually bring to today’s busy manufacturers because ROI isn’t always straightforward to measure. “I don't think you write a CEU and the next week, you can count how many new orders you have. I think it is more long-term,” says Jan.
She points out that the biggest benefit to CEUs might be customer loyalty. “I think for the actual manufacturer, if the manufacturer gets really good at writing the CEUs and giving the good agnostic information, they will start to become the go-to for the professional,” says Jan. “Because professionals, we're crazy busy. And there is not a lot of time to go and look at every manufacturer that's making something.”
There are many ways to measure ROI — and it’s not always clear-cut, but if your audience keeps coming back, that’s a good sign. “If your CEU is dry and boring and people just tune out a few minutes into it. Yeah, don't even do it,” says Jan.
She explains further how any marketing and promotion you do for a CEU program will need (of course!) a strategy. She broke some of that down for us further.
“I would probably, during the initial development of the CEU, make a determination. Are you going specifically after the architect or specifically after the designer this round? So if it was the designer, then it might be tracking your inquiries coming in for designers. It might be tracking designers starting to follow your blog. Is the phone ringing? What are your reps saying?”
However you measure ROI, Jan suggests making CEUs worth your and your customers’ time and energy with a few final tactics.
We get quite a few questions about CEUs and whether or not they’re worth the investment, but it’s possible for manufacturers to see a return on educating their customers. “And if the designer, architect, builder, contractor are getting really good information from that manufacturer, I think they can build a good, strong following,” Jan says.
Be sure to check out the full episode for more insights from Jan Rutgers, or contact her through Vestabul.
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